Fourth Trimester and Fifth Trimester Preparation, Support, and Transition
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Most moms know what the fourth trimester is, but what about the FIFTH trimester?! And even if you struggled with the transition to motherhood, what can you do NOW, in the midst of motherhood, to make all these changes a little bit easier?
In today's episode, you get to hear Kallista Andersen — a mom of 3, registered nurse, certified lactation counselor, and host of the New Mom Boss Podcast — cover all of this and MORE when it comes to postpartum. Her mission is to help pregnant mamas get ready for their baby by preparing their self, space, and significant other and you will learn SO much that will help you more confidently navigate this new season of life!
What we cover in this episode:
What is normal and to be expected in the 4th trimester
What the 5th trimester is and what it entails
The most common issues moms face postpartum
Tips on navigating the 4th and 5th trimesters
Tips on transitioning back to work, breastfeeding, and other postpartum situations
Things a mom can do to strengthen or reinforce her support system postpartum
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FULL TRANSCRIPT
[00:00:00] We all know what the fourth trimester is, but have you ever heard of the fifth trimester and have you ever thought about how we don't just transition from pregnant to being a mom and figuring out motherhood? We are constantly going through different transitions and having to navigate new seasons and new changes in what helps.
So much with that as being prepared and being educated. So today I'm excited to bring you Calista Anderson of the new mom boss podcast, because her mission in life is to help moms prepare for motherhood and prepare for that postpartum season. Today, we get to dive into. Not just the fourth trimester, but also the fifth trimester, which you might not have heard of before we talk about what support systems are helpful to have and some tangible things that will help you.
Even if you're in the midst of postpartum right now, they'll help you just make some tiny shifts and adjustments that will make life slightly easier, make you feel a little bit more prepared. So I'm excited to welcome to the podcast [00:01:00] Calista, who is a mom of three, she's a registered nurse, a certified lactation counselor, and she helps moms through her.
Podcasts and through her new mom prep school. So let's bring her to the show so she can just share her experience, share her story and help you navigate the fourth and fifth trimester and all of the different mom transitions that we go.
Pay mama. Welcome to the tough love mom podcast. I know you're here because you're ready to get consistent and finally lose that weight. And you're not afraid of a little tough love, you know, what to do to lose weight. But following through on those things feels impossible. You wish you could just feel like your strong, confident self again, and want to be good example for your little ones.
Thrown off by mom guilt and the unpredictability of motherhood. It's frustrating taking on your journey. Postpartum is hard, but it's not impossible. Hey, I'm Liz and I've been where you are. I gained [00:02:00] a lot of weight in my pregnancies, 90 pounds, and then 60 pounds. I needed to lose that weight to take control of my health.
And honestly just wanted to feel like myself again, with the sustainable approach to wait. Symbol consistency in working on my mindset. I lost it all in just over a year, both times. And I'm here to help you do the same. I believe that we have an ingrained ability to figure out what we need to do, make it happen and do it in a way that AHS the world.
If you're ready to stop falling off the wagon, create solid routine and healthy habits, and finally feel your best inside and out all while enjoying Dino nuggets on your salad, you are in the right place. We're about to transform your journey, right? Get pumped up. It is tough luck.
Take Alyssa. I'm so excited to have you here today and, and to these listeners, I know they've heard a little bit about your background, but can you dive into just a little bit more about your family and what brought you to this point today [00:03:00] where you helped mom prepare for postpartum? Oh, first of all, thank you, Liz, for having me an idol, I could talk about.
Anything pregnancy and postpartum with anybody for like hours, but it's short. And I know there's a, what we're going to focus on today is the fourth trimester and the fifth trimester for mama. But before we get there, I, um, I'll tell your listeners a little bit more about me. So my name is Calista Anderson and I am a.
Hmm, a registered nurse, a certified lactation counselor. And I started a new mom boss after going through my own struggles as a new mom, um, with my first daughter. Um, so I am the type of girl that always wanted to be a mom from a young age and I, you know, wanted nothing more in life than to be a mom. So I had, I thought that desire and my skills for planning was going to be [00:04:00] enough to go into motherhood and.
I did all the things I saw other moms do, which is, you know, put the baby registry together, have the baby shower and put together like a Pinterest perfect nursery and washed all the clothes. Everything looked perfect. When the baby arrived and she arrived and then it wasn't so easy. You know, I think I had a little bit of medical arrogance because I am a nurse and I went through an L and D rotation.
I followed a lactation counselor during nursing school and my husband's a doctor and he even delivered a couple of babies in his training. So we're like, oh, we got this. But the thing that I never thought about. All the other, all the other stuff like sleep deprivation and how showering, eating and sleeping, the normal daily activities was going to be such a difficult thing to do in the postpartum [00:05:00] period.
And so I struggled and I also struggled with breastfeeding because I did not really learn much about it. Although I followed a lactation counselor for a few weeks. In my school. Um, so yeah, I struggled, but luckily I got help pretty quickly. The first week after having my daughter and we got into the groove and things worked out well breastfeeding, but the other stuff was still a challenge.
And then at four months old, when my daughter was four months, I found out I was pregnant again. And I was like, holy moly, I can't do all this again. Eight short months, I haven't even slept. And, um, so I just thought of everything I did to, and everything that I didn't do that I thought might help me the second time around.
And so I, I deleted all the things that weren't necessary. And I, I put things in that I didn't do the first time around. And I had a beautiful experience the second time with my [00:06:00] son. And so. Coming out of that experience, I was like, why is it so hard? Why don't we as first-time moms get the help and support that we need to have this experience and why do we have to wait for the second time around?
And that's how my passion for helping other moms came about. And, um, a few years later I started new mom boss. It's crazy because as a mom, you really don't know what to expect until you're in the midst of it. And I always, I think about this. Moms. I feel like once you become a first time, mom in, it can be really easy in your head to go.
Why didn't anyone tell me about this? Why, why did they, you know, make it look so pretty and sugarcoat it and no one's like out to get you, no, one's out to make it this like this pre pretty, pretty picture and make it seem easier than it really has. No one's out to do that. We just don't want to scare you at the same time.
You also don't, it's just, it's just this weird [00:07:00] space to be in because other people don't want to scare moms and moms kind of like block out the scary stuff or the stuff that is difficult. And at the same time, you just really don't know until you're in the midst of it. So it is hard to learn trial by error, but it's so cool that you took that experience and really put it into something that in your podcast is phenomenal.
That helps moms prepare a little bit more. I know something we talked about on your show is how. That education and preparation is huge when it comes to making it a little bit easier. So what do you think is like integral? I know a lot of the listeners, a lot of my listeners are already postpartum, but some might have babies again.
And I think in any area of life, it's important to be educated. So what are some areas when it comes to motherhood that you have found are integral in being prepared for and being educated on because. You know, listen to right now, even if you're in the midst of motherhood and postpartum and trying to figure it out, [00:08:00] even educating yourself right now, when you're in the thick of it can help.
So what are some of those areas that you have seen moms struggle in most when they can prepare or educate themselves in that area? It helps them just make it a little bit easier. Yeah, that's a great question. You know, I think, you know, it is the way it is right now because of our culture. It's just the way things are our focus isn't on postpartum or very little is placed on the postpartum time.
And you can see that, just look at how many doctor's visits or prenatal visits, whether it's a doctor or a midwife, how many units. While you're pregnant, it's something like 17 to 20 visits. And then in the postpartum time you get one visit at six to eight weeks postpartum. And we were kind of just left to figure things out on our own and find the support.
On our own. Whereas during [00:09:00] pregnancy let's support is kind of built in because of the way our insurance is and, you know, just our culture, like all the fun events during pregnancy, from the baby shower. And now it's gender reveal, you know, like all these fun things, which I love totally. Um, but it's not preparing us for the bigger picture.
And like I said, it is a cultural thing. Um, you know, and my mission is to place more focus on the postpartum time. Because once upon a time there were no such things as wedding planners, right? Like who would have thought, like somebody to plan your wedding, like it's a one day event. Um, and. Planning the postpartum.
You, it's not so much that you want to hire someone for that postpartum time, but just having that attention for that time when you're a new mom and I have to say there's a big difference. And so you ask what is the biggest thing [00:10:00] for new moms or postpartum moms? Um, I, I try to catch them while they're pregnant and, you know, um, and a lot of times they're caught up in the fun stuff and it's hard to like tell them, you know what, but there's really these other things that are going to need your preparation and your mindset.
Um, it takes a lot of mindset preparation too. Um, and so that is my, my, one of my biggest things is to help. People change their perspective a little bit and broaden it to include the postpartum time, because there is a difference between preparing for the baby, which we do a pretty good job of, you know, we ha we buy all the stuff, the gadgets, the things we prepare, the home, the nursery, all the car seats and all that stuff.
But we don't really know. Put an emphasis on preparing ourselves to be moms and the transition from becoming this, [00:11:00] you know, single or married woman who is. Used to doing everything for ourselves and transitioning into now a new mom caring for a baby 24 7, and we're not able to care for ourselves the way we used to because we're juggling, you know, every single minute of the day and the postpartum period for the first few months, you know, just focus on the baby.
And that's when things can. Kind of get really difficult. We can lose ourselves. We don't, we're not able to take care of ourselves. We don't know how to ask for help. And we don't set up the help to make it easy for ourselves to be supportive. Yeah. What do you think are the, the areas that help moms feel a little bit more on top of things like the moms you work with that do get to that point postpartum.
And they're like, okay. I feel like I've got my feet under me a little bit more than I would have had I not been prepared. What are the key. Things that they're doing. That's different aside from changing their [00:12:00] perspective and their mindset. Mindset's huge. Like it's the foundation of everything. Totally believe that.
But what are some of the tangible stuff they've gotten placed? Once baby comes, that's got them feeling like they've got it a little bit more. I don't even want to say figure it out or together, but you know what I mean? Right, right. Okay. So I like to look at the postpartum period as the fourth trimester and the fifth trimester for moms go into the fifth two a little more.
Cause I feel like that's not possible. Right, right. Okay. So, um, the fourth trimester, most of you mamas listening, might've heard that for the baby, but I also like to tell moms, think of it as a fourth trimester for yourself too, because you need that those three months to heal all the pelvic floor stuff and getting into a groove with breastfeeding and just, you know, really.
Recovering from pregnancy and not forcing yourself to go, go, go back to normal bounce back to what it was like and fit in all your [00:13:00] clothes and all that kind of stuff. Right? Like just being gentle with yourself in those first three months, I say would be the biggest thing. And, and the more you prepare ahead of time, the more you can be present with your baby, with your partner and with yourself and just enjoy.
New mom experience. So the, I would say that's the fourth trimester for mom in a nutshell, but the fifth trimester is another transition. You know, the, I would say the fourth trimester is kind of that missing middle and you just have to allow it and let it be, and just embrace this downtime and having this new little baby in her life.
And then after the first three weeks, After birth, you kind of get into just when you're getting into the swing of things, you know, you kind of have, you have a schedule already, your, your daily routines with the baby. And then the fifth trimester happens. Okay. [00:14:00] Really quickly on the baby side is like the fourth, the fourth month hat a lot happens.
You know, they start running over, you know, sleep regression. Like all this stuff happens in the forties. The time I come across a mom, who's got like a four or five, six months old. I'm like, aren't they doing everything now? It's like overwhelming and exciting at the same time. So much at that point? Yes. Oh my gosh.
Yeah, totally. Like they, they're starting to laugh out loud. Like it's the cutest, like the first laugh out loud. It's like the cutest little moment. Um, so yeah, a lot happens in the fifth trimester with the baby because they're just like, oh my gosh. So many milestones. Yeah. Also for mom, it's usually the time she goes back to work.
And so there's a whole transition during that time. So there's preparing for the childcare, right? If you're, if you're going to be physically going back to work or out of the home, or even if you're working from home and you're going to need someone to help you care for the [00:15:00] baby. Um, and for the stay at home moms, you know, this, this time it looks a little different, but.
The working moms at work, you know, outside of the home, it does take a little more planning because, um, when you're not the primary caregiver during the work hours, you are going to. You need to get ready for bottle feeding if you're exclusively breastfeeding. Right. And actually, I was just talking to a client prior to this and we were planning that out for her, like when should she?
And she just had her baby few weeks ago, but she's already thinking of how it's going to be like when she goes to work, which is good, you know, it's good to plan a little bit, but. You know, go gently, go easy on yourself. And that is one thing I think a lot of first-time moms don't think about, um, if they're exclusively breastfeeding, um, getting the baby used to the bottle could be a [00:16:00] hurdle.
Right. I messed up the timing of that personally, like neither of my boys stick bottles because we didn't introduce them early enough. And I stay like I've worked from home and stay home with them. I was like, oh, we'll do it eventually. Or, oh, we'll try one here. And it just never worked out. Cause I was never prepared to do it for the stay at home moms.
You're gonna want to have a little me time, get, make an appointment for your hair, which is going to require two hours away from home. Right. And so just that's what I just told my client is. Okay, go make your hair appointment and whatever that is like, let's go. You know, later down the line in a month or month and a half or whatever, but two weeks prior to that appointment or whatever it is, whatever event you may have coming up plan for two weeks before that to introduce the bottle and you are an exclusively breastfeeding momma.
You want to, if you don't already have a stash of, um, frozen breast milk, [00:17:00] you know, you may want to start doing that now. You don't need a ton. A couple of bottles, worth of milk, you know, on standby because you're always feeding and you can always pump like the day before. And so just have one to two bottles, um, as your backup and, and bottle feeding or emergency.
Baby food. So that's one of the most, um, I guess, big tangible things in the fifth trimester, thinking about when you're gonna want to start bottle feeding, if you're not already bottle feeding, because some babies do not take to it. Well, as you mentioned for me, my first, my first baby did not like the bottle.
Um, and then when she finally took the bottle, she only wanted it from my mom. Like nobody else could. And so when you start introducing the vital, I recommend you leave the house or not completely, or stay at the other end of the house, [00:18:00] because if they can smell you and, and know you're around, they're gonna want the real thing.
They want your boom. And so you don't want to be around the baby. And I would say, yeah, don't, don't be the first one to bottle. Because they'll just look, they know it's right there. Yeah. That's so interesting. And I feel like the fifth trimester to that, like three, four month mark is the point. And you were talking about how you need to give yourself that time to heal.
Well, I find very interesting and I try to remind my moms all the time, but it can take up to 18 months for your body to recover from pregnancy and birth. Like three months is one sixth of that. It is nothing. So like really give yourself that time to be gentle and just figure it out day by day. Cause it's so like that's the first transition of many transitions you'll go through as a mom.
And I feel like that fifth trimester. So it's like for me, To what's seven, six S yeah. I feel like that's the time when that's like another transition and you don't [00:19:00] realize before becoming a mom that there's like transition after transition. I mean, I'm going through the one right now with my youngest.
Who's one and a half of dependence to independence and I'm struggling with it, but I feel like that fifth trimester, there's this transition to. You're getting a lot of support more than usual. Not, not as like, you know, pregnancy, a lot of the attention is on you. Baby comes a lot of the attention's on baby, but there's still people like offering help.
But then when you get to that fifth trimester, it's like, all right, you should have it figured out. You know, there's not as it's kind of like, are you. Everett the world carries on to. So there's almost that like mental shift of support. No, I think you're absolutely right. That's why I tell moms in the fourth trimester accept all the help that people offer because it doesn't last long.
Yeah. Right. And then fifth trimester. You're kind of, yeah, you're kind of left alone and you're trying to figure out how you're going to balance work and baby and self care. [00:20:00] You're right. The whole body piece is just one layer of motherhood that is transitioning. In a parallel to everything else that's going on.
Um, so the help piece is you want to, I mean, it's, it's for those, I mean, the listeners of the show are moms, so they, they won't be taken aback by me saying you need. Mommy friends. Yeah. Probably like a thing. Right. Community it's so important and moms crave it. They're like, I need connection, but I'm like, I'll just stay in my bubble because I don't really know what to do.
Right. And, you know, as moms, we talk about our babies nonstop right. In the first year, we're always talking about our babies. So you want other moms who get it and who talk about their babies as well, because when you have your [00:21:00] other friends who don't have babies yet, Either like way past this season in their life, they're just in a different season.
You just want people who are in similar boat as you, right? Like we're all kind of going through this together and, and figuring things out and comparing notes. And that community piece is so helpful and you'll appreciate each other. Cause you can exchange all these stories. Yeah. Yeah. Is there anything you would suggest suggest moms do to help strengthen or maybe like if they do have an existing support system, because sometimes you go into postpartum and you didn't like realize that we live very far from family.
So I had to be really intentional about leaning into. Different communities to get support. Um, but do you have any specific suggestions moms can do to like strengthen their support system or reinforce it? Because yeah, it's important. Those first three months, a lot of my listeners are further on than that, but you still need a support [00:22:00] system.
You need it forever. Like that phrase, it takes a village to raise a child is, I mean, that's, that's 18 years. That's forever. And so we needed at all points postpartum. So how can a mom like reinforce it? Strengthen it lean back into a community or find it right. Just, you know, any, anything in your community like local in-person things.
There's lots of mommy and me classes. So that's where I would start if you want that in person, um, community. And then there's a ton of online community. As well, it's just a different kind of community, right? Cause it's not like you can go get coffee together or go to the park together. So you want those different types of groups, both, you know, online and in person and then your, the, the circle of friends you already have.
So it's important to have your mommy friends, but it's also important to keep in touch with [00:23:00] your. Old friends or old circle because they know you. Right. And you have a history with them. And so what I like to tell moms is to schedule their girls night out or girl's day out, like just schedule them, put them in the calendar, even if it's two, three months out from now.
Then you won't forget about it because it's really easy to go day to day, week to week. And then you're like, oh, we haven't gotten together in a really long time, but if you just plan it out and my friend sent me this, this, um, meme about like getting together. It's like everyone has to check their calendars nowadays.
Like at this season of our life, it's not like, Hey, let's hang out Friday. No, All of us have so many different calendars and we, it's hard to find one date that works for everybody. And so I, I recommend just scheduling a girls' day, months out in advance so that it's to cure before everyone's calendars get filled up.
That's smart. [00:24:00] Um, I wanted to mention also in the fifth trimester it's that I would say actually the first, I mean the fourth trimester, so right after. It's intense, right? It's the messy middle. The fifth trimester can be tough too, because it's the sleep regression. There's lots happening or maybe getting back, um, getting ready to go back to work.
And it's kind of like that final push. I feel like. So I'd like to think of the new mom is the first year, but the first six months. Intense of the sixth of the first year, um, the fifth trimester. It's like, you're almost there. If you can just get past the six months because you know, it's recommended you breastfeed for at least six months, they recommend a year.
But if you cannot make it a year, you know, that your first goal is to make it to six months. And there's a lot of relief after six months, because then you introduce [00:25:00] solids. Right. And then you're like, oh, like it's not just my body feeding the baby. And yeah. Yeah. It's like the big sigh of relief. And then it's a different challenge, like introducing solids and that's the whole thing, got a plan, one thing at a time and all that stuff.
But there is, I, I don't know for me, it was a certain like, like relief. Also for me for all three of my kids, I sleep trained in the fifth trimester because, um, so I did not plan on sleep training, but when I found out I was pregnant, when my daughter was four months old, I was about to have another baby and I hadn't slept.
I was like, holy moly. So my husband and I. The research I'm like, is it safe to sleep train? Like, are we going to mess the baby up and all this stuff? So we did the research and I read the books and I see chained my daughter and at five and a half months. So we were in that fifth trimester period. Yeah.
And it [00:26:00] was amazing. So after we sleep, train her, I slept great until the next baby was born. And when you can get that sleep because really. Different kinds of sleep training and you can sleep or a sleep train earlier on, but this is the sleep training where they can really sleep through the night. Their bellies are big enough that they don't have to feed at night.
And that's the time I did it. And, oh my gosh, that was like a whole new me was born again, sleep back. It's amazing. And so if you can get that. In the fifth trimester, some people don't and they just tough it out for the whole entire first year with night feedings and just not like a lot of broken sleep, you know, I would say the fifth trimester is the best time to do it any earlier.
Might be too early to sleep through the night. Depending on the baby, but most [00:27:00] babies can sleep through the night around the fifth trimester. Yeah. That's when my first, uh, right at the end of the fifth trimester is when he started sleeping through the night and my second, um, wasn't until he was one. And that was just like, he's this little personality that is just, I want to do it my way.
Everything and sleep was one of them, but yeah, it's, I, I tell a lot of moms who are like, I'm just stuck. I'm at a plateau trying to lose weight. I'm frustrated about my schedule. I want to have more routine. I want to get up early. But my baby's still waking up. I'm like, then you need to wait or figure out sleep.
But you know, you can't try to force all of that when you're not sleeping. It's just like physically for mom is not the right time to do stuff if you're still not sleeping well, but yeah, sleep is transformational when it comes to everything you're trying to learn and do as a mom. Was there anything else about the fourth or fifth, fifth trimester that you want to hit on or.
You think would help the listeners today? Well, I just want to reiterate what [00:28:00] you said, which was, you know, is it sleep? Is it the weight and in the fifth trimester, I think that's the time you might want to choose one of those things to focus on because right after the baby's born, the first three months don't focus on anything, you know, just, just be just beating us on being mom, right.
As the baby gets older. You know, it, it feels a little more doable and you're getting into a schedule and that kind of thing. And yeah, I would choose if, if sleep is the biggest thing affecting your day to day, I would focus on that if it's, um, eating, you know, some, some moms have a hard time finding the time to eat because they don't have enough help.
You know, I would focus on that and finding childcare to help you. Or if it's going back to work, then obviously focus on yeah. Self and your household for you to go back to work? Yeah, absolutely. One thing at a time is the key and it's exactly what I teach as well. [00:29:00] Well, thank you so much for coming on today.
Um, one last question I like to ask. All of my guests is around tough love. So this is a tough love mom podcast. So you can shoot straight with us centers. You don't need to sugar coat anything because that's what they're here for. But what is, you know, in tough love is truly just being straightforward with someone because you care about them and you want what is best for their wellbeing, physical, mental, emotional, their overall wellbeing.
And so when it comes to moms who are maybe in that fourth or fifth, even fifth trimester or. The sixth, seventh and eighth. I mean, I feel like we have trimesters all the time with all the transitions, but that mom that's in that season of transition and trying to navigate this new chapter, whether it's her first baby or her fifth, like it's always a new chapter of her life that we're learning.
Um, what encouragement or tough love do you want to leave her with today? Oh, I love that question. Well, let me just sneak in one more thing, which is. I know your listeners are postpartum [00:30:00] already. And I get a lot of second time moms who have, who had such a hard time the first time. So just keep all this in mind for the next time.
You know, you don't know what you don't know the first time around. And definitely the second time can be so much better if you prepare the right way. So the tough one. Advice I would give mamas is, um, and this is for anytime in life, but especially in that first year, a lot can feel like it's out of control.
And I just want to remind you that in me and all of us, that we are responsible for our own lives, we can kind of let our circumstances dictate. How we do things, but if you can step back and just take responsibility. And I just learned this myself a few years ago, you know, like when I, when I hear [00:31:00] responsibility, I'm like, yeah, I am a responsible person.
I'm like, I'm very good at keeping my word and all that stuff. But. I, I took a look at, but it is my life exactly the way I want it to be. Am I doing the things? Am I becoming the person I want to be is my, my marriage or my, my parenting, the way I want it to be. And I can take responsibility for the way it is right now and choose to move towards what I really, really want.
And so. Responsibility is, um, just, if you look deeper into that word, we can do a lot more for where we are in life and not just allow our circumstances to kind of dictate how we do things or where we do things or how things go. Yeah, absolutely. And so much of that is just educating ourselves and preparing and taking advantage of the resources around you.
So can you let the listeners know where they can find you [00:32:00] and follow you and get more if they're preparing for a future baby or even pregnant? So I do have some pregnant listeners that love to just prepare their selves. They're, they're the ones who love to prepare. Cause they're like, I need to know my mindset and my habits for postpartum.
So where can they find. Thanks for that. Yeah. So, um, I'm new mom boss at, on all the platforms. So on Instagram with new mom boss, and the website is new mom, boss.com. The podcast is called the new mambas podcasts. And so it's just uniform all across. And I will be having a workshop coming up and I'm not sure when this is airing, but this workshop is going to be the beginning of June and the registration will open up a couple of weeks prior, but it's a prepping for post-partum workshop.
Um, if you know any pregnant mamas. And you yourself have had difficulty and you now know how hard it really is. Right. We don't know until we're in it. I'm just pointing my [00:33:00] direction and it's going to be a five day workshop, taking them through all the things to really prepare for their baby and to be a new mom.
Perfect. I love that. Thank you so much for coming on today and sharing all your wisdom. Thank you, Liz. I appreciate. I hope you caught that at the end, that even if you're someone who goes, you know, I'm not quite in the season right now where I need that kind of support. But you probably know someone who is, and I love that cluster brought up.
If you know of another mom who's expecting or who needs that support and transitioning her mindset and her preparation, not just to pregnancy and birth, but also to postpartum, please go point them to this podcast episode in Callista's new moms. Podcast episode so they can become a new mom boss and really feel confident in their transition into motherhood because we need community.
We need other people cheering us on and you can be that for another mom in your life. So share this episode, share this, share her podcast in this podcast [00:34:00] with another mom in your life, come alongside them. Do this motherhood thing together. So not only you're not living. But that mom who's becoming a new mom.
Won't be lonely either. So share that with her, make sure that you go over on Instagram and let Calista know how today's episode impacted you and helped you. And I will chat with you next time before you go. Thank you for spending this time with me on the tough love mom podcast. If this episode encouraged you in any way, the number one way you can thank me is to leave her a review, letting me know how the show has impacted you.
That. Send this episode to another mom friend, or take a screenshot posted on social media and tag me so I can personally thank you for helping me on this journey to impact thousands of moms. I'm so grateful to be on this journey with you sister until next time. Get after it.
